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Pro-AI? Anti-AI? Both?

2026-11-0440:24

Episode 29: Pro-AI? Anti-AI? Both?

Can you welcome what AI makes possible and still oppose some of its consequences? Justin and Kellan talk through where they’re for it, where they’re against it, and what could change their minds. They discuss junior hiring, who benefits from productivity gains, and how much judgment they’re willing to hand over to AI agents.

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Related research: https://www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment.

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